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Hello, dear listener and welcome back to owning it the anxiety podcast with me, Caroline Forin.substack.com. Thank you. Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to owning it the

Anxiety Podcast with me, Caroline Forin. This week I have a guest who has been on my wish list for so long.

His name is Oliver Berkman. He is an incredible journalist and author, and he wrote the book

4,000 weeks, which I have been banging on about for, well, since I was

first recommended to read it by my brother, who I will have to give personal credit for

introducing me to Oliver's work because he likes me to give him credit for that.

But Oliver is, oh my God, this book, and his other books, because there are several, his

words just, it's like a balm. They are

incredibly soothing, grounding, calming, very intelligent and just give you such helpful,

anxiolytic food for thought. And I don't even want to go into too much about what the book

is about because I just want you to go and read it.

But here we have a really interesting kind of existential, bigger chat about anxiety around time, how we use time.

Will we ever get on top of time?

Are we making the best use of our time?

Our finitude, our limitations.

There's lots to unpack.

I hope you enjoyed as much as I did did and do check out Oliver's work. You will not regret it. Thank you so much for listening. Please

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