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slash voxpod this is ricode media with peter kofka that is me and i'm talking to

antonio garcia martinez hello antonio hello, Peter. This is the last and a long line of conversations we've had, sometimes with beer and sometimes without. We have done both. I want to introduce you for the audience. I think most people listening to this will know who you are. But so we get it out of the way, you were a former Facebook executive. You wrote a book about your time there.

It was called Chaos Monkeys.

We'll talk about that book.

You were recently an Apple employee until Tuesday when you say you were fired.

I think the language Apple has used as you parted ways.

And you said you were fired because Apple employees didn't like the fact that you were hired there.

And now you're talking to us.

Thank you for joining us.

I want to talk to you about all of that.

Let's just start with the chronology.

You have just tweeted out a version of your chronology.

You said Apple reached out to you to work on a new ads product, ads privacy product. When was that? When did they

reach out to you? It's been a long conversation. It would have been probably early this year,

January, February. It's a friend of mine, a professional colleague who reached out. It was a long

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