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Pod Save the World

Antisemitism, the NSA, Khashoggi, then Fmr Dep Secretary of State Bill Burns

Pod Save the World

Crooked Media

Politics, News

4.824.7K Ratings

🗓️ 6 March 2019

⏱️ 60 minutes

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Summary

First, Tommy and Ben Rhodes talk about the NSA shutting down its controversial metadata program, more accusations of antisemitism against Ilhan Omar, Trump's stonewalling of Congress about the murder of Jamal Khashoggi and his flipflop (again) on keeping troops in Afghanistan and Syria. Then, former Deputy Secretary of State Bill Burns joins to discuss his new book The Back Channel.

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0:00.0

Welcome back to Potsay the World, I'm Tommy Vittor and I'm Ben Rhodes.

0:14.9

And we are back in the studio, back in the saddle, excited to talk about some foreign

0:19.2

policy issues.

0:20.2

Can't wait.

0:21.2

And then a real treat for you guys.

0:23.3

We got on the show Bill Burns, former Deputy Secretary of State, one of the nicest,

0:28.9

most soft spoken human beings I've ever met.

0:32.2

Yeah, Bill Burns is, the reason he's good diplomat is like, you'll have a conversation

0:35.8

with you, kind of seduce you in the conversation.

0:39.1

And you'll think that you're agreeing with him.

0:41.0

Yes.

0:42.0

And you're just moving closer and closer to his views.

0:45.2

And by the end, you're agreeing with him violently.

0:47.9

You've changed your mind and you don't even know how it happened.

0:50.7

And he's just fixing you with this kind of gentle gaze over his well-groomed mustache.

0:55.2

He just wins you over with core decency.

0:57.0

But seriously, Bill, I think he was the highest ranking foreign service officer ever

1:03.2

at the State Department at the Deputy Secretary of State.

1:04.8

That doesn't ever happen.

1:05.8

But he had a whole bunch of other positions like Ambassador to Jordan, Ambassador to Russia.

1:09.8

He's been on the show before.

1:11.6

But I just can't tell you how impressive it is to see someone like Bill at a table with

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