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Peter Lightheart joins us today.

He is, of course, a longtime contributor to first things.

Actually, Peter, I'll say I was looking back through some old issues.

And boy, about 20 years ago, I came, you've been writing for us for a long time.

Yeah, it's closer to 30, I think. I started writing in the early 90s.

All right, all right. Well, he is now president of the Theopolis Institute in Birmingham, Alabama.

He joined us last year for a podcast, and he is here now to discuss another book, the title of which is,

on earth, as in heaven, Theopolis Fundamentals.

Welcome, President Lightheart.

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