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This is episode 235, and we are recording on June 9th.

I'm Amanda Nelson, and I'm here with Jen Northington, and we are coming to you from Book Riot.

Welcome.

Hello.

That's all we've got. Yeah, it feels like a non-bantery intro because we are doing our anti-racist

literature show today. So this show is in solidarity with Black Lives Matter. We all have so much work to do, especially us

white folks and non-black folks, and we wanted to put together some resources to help y'all

do the work along with us. And before we get started, I think we both have some words about that.

So I thought it would be good to start off with being clear about the difference between not being racist and being anti-racist.

So not being racist is about not intentionally engaging in racist acts.

But being anti-racist is about acknowledging and understanding the systemic nature of racism

and working to change and challenge those systems. That's just like my quick, rough and ready

understanding of it, but I'm going to leave a link in the show notes to a great discussion

that unpacks that a bit more. And I want to thank the resources that are so many great resources online

for unpacking all of that, which, you know, if you Google for five minutes, you'll find some,

not even five minutes, like five seconds, you will find some. But we will, we will give you some

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