Anti-Fragile Confidence: Your Protocol Beats Your Motivation (w/ Brian Johnson)
Chasing Excellence
Ben Bergeron & Patrick Cummings
4.8 • 2.2K Ratings
🗓️ 12 January 2026
⏱️ 63 minutes
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Summary
What if the challenges that knock you down could actually make you stronger? In this episode, we sit down with Brian Johnson, founder of Heroic and author of Arete, to explore the concept of anti-fragile confidence—the ability to use life's hardest moments as fuel for your growth. You'll discover why your protocol matters more than your motivation, and how to forge the kind of confidence that gets stronger under pressure.
We dive into the ultimate game of life—living with arete, or virtue—and how closing the gap between who you could be and who you're actually being creates deep fulfillment. Learn why rule number one of a heroic life is that it's supposed to be hard, and how dominating the fundamentals (eating, moving, sleeping) drives both your physiology and psychology. This is about building anti-fragile confidence: knowing that no matter what life throws at you, you have what it takes to respond with excellence.
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| 0:55.0 | Hello and welcome back to the show. |
| 0:57.5 | Thank you so much for joining us. |
| 0:59.9 | I am Patrick. |
| 1:00.7 | I am here, of course, with Ben. |
| 1:02.7 | And we are joined by a new friend of ours, Brian Johnson. |
| 1:07.0 | Gentlemen, how are you? |
| 1:08.9 | Doing great, Patrick. |
| 1:09.9 | And Brian, awesome to have you here, man. Pleasure to be here. Appreciate you both. Brian, we've mentioned you on the show a few times before. So folks might be familiar with you, but you are the founder of Heroic. You're the author of a book called Arete, Activate Your Heroic Potential. You spent the last 20-plus years distilling ancient wisdom and modern science into practical tools that can help people show up as the best versions of themselves. |
| 1:31.9 | And for folks who want to learn more, head to heroic.us. |
| 1:35.5 | I would love, Brian, just like a very quick introduction as to who you are and what you focus on. |
| 1:41.4 | And then I'm really excited to have this conversation today. |
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