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Anthropologists Have A Bone To Pick With New Skull Finding

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🗓️ 3 October 2025

⏱️ 13 minutes

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Summary

A reconstruction of an ancient skull suggests that humans could have evolved half a million years earlier than thought. Not so fast, some say.

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0:00.0

Hey, this is Flor Lixman, and you're listening to Science Friday.

0:07.3

Today in the show, New Skull just dropped.

0:10.6

An ancient hominid fossil from China is shaking up the human origins field.

0:15.4

This is really a case where if you have another piece of evidence, it might be a good time to sort of show people.

0:26.7

A new analysis of a very old skull challenges what we thought we knew about our ancestral

0:31.9

family tree and its timeline, at least according to the researchers who wrote the paper.

0:36.6

The study in the journal

0:37.6

science claims that Homo sapiens and some of our relatives could have emerged at least a half a

0:43.1

million years earlier than we thought. But as we know, big claims require big evidence. So here

0:48.9

to piece together the details is Dr. John Hawkes, an anthropologist and professor at the University

0:53.8

of Wisconsin-Madison.

0:55.2

He studies the bones and genes of ancient humans.

0:58.8

John, welcome back to Science Friday.

1:01.0

Hey, thanks for having me.

1:02.9

First of all, is it drama in your field right now?

1:06.6

You know, look, I'm a field that's got a lot of drama in it, but I will say that this is a really

1:13.0

astounding claim and one that has, you know, drawn a lot of attention to the question of whether

1:18.9

we know as much as we thought we did about our recent past. Okay, let's talk about the study.

1:24.4

I know it centers on this very crushed up skull. Tell us about it.

1:30.1

Yes. So this site in central China, widely known as a Yunshan site, is a site where in 1982, partial skulls were found.

1:39.4

And they were both highly crushed. That makes them tough for us to study, obviously, but they have features that

1:46.4

connect them with an early species in our ancestry known as Homo erectus. The new study has

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