Anthropic Thinks AI Might Destroy the Economy. It's Building It Anyway.

Plain English with Derek Thompson

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🗓️ 27 March 2026

⏱️ 63 minutes

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Today’s podcast is an interview with one of the cofounders of the AI company Anthropic, Jack Clark. One thing I’m trying to do with the subject of artificial intelligence is offer a balance of perspectives on an issue that tends to receive mostly one-sided coverage. Some people are certain that AI is a bubble; some are certain it is not. Some are certain that AI will destroy millions of jobs; some are certain that it will not. I want listeners of this show to feel like every time they hear an intelligent take on one side of this issue, the next episode they’ll hear a countervailing take. Two weeks ago, you heard the investor and writer Paul Kedrosky argue that AI was an economic bubble. But if any single data point pierces that narrative, it’s this. From December 2025 to this month, March 2026, Anthropic has more than doubled its annual recurring revenue, from $9 billion to nearly $20 billion. According to several analysts, there is no record of any company growing this fast at this scale. Now, I don’t need Jack Clark or anybody at Anthropic to read me a corporate statement about the company’s revenue growth. I can read that myself. What I wanted to do today is ask questions that only someone in Jack’s position can answer. If Anthropic’s executives believe that AI might be as dangerous as nuclear weapons, what right does any private business have to build this sort of thing for profit? How does the company balance its reputation as the industry leader in caution and safety with its other reputation as one of the fastest developers of this technology? And if artificial intelligence has the capacity to produce a country of geniuses in a data center—as Anthropic’s CEO insists—why do Americans overall say they disapprove of artificial intelligence more than just about every other institution and individual in the world? Subscribe to our YouTube channel here: https://www.youtube.com/@PlainEnglishwithDerekThompson If you have questions, observations, or ideas for future episodes, email us at PlainEnglish@Spotify.com. Host: Derek Thompson Guest: Jack Clark Producer: Devon Baroldi Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:41.4	Jack Clark.
0:42.9	One thing I'm trying to do on the subject of artificial intelligence on this show is to
0:47.5	offer a balance of perspectives on an issue where I find most coverage tends to be extremely
0:52.7	one-sided.
0:54.1	Some people are very certain that
0:55.7	AI is a bubble, and some people are certain that it is not. Some are certain that AI will destroy
1:00.7	millions of jobs, and others are sure that it will not. And I want listeners of this show to feel
1:05.8	like every time they hear an intelligent take on one side of these issues, the next episode they'll hear will
1:11.8	offer in some way a countervailing take. So two weeks ago, you heard the investor and writer
1:16.8	Paul Kodroski argue that artificial intelligence was an economic bubble. But if any single
1:23.9	data point pierces that narrative, it's this. Between December 2025 and this month,
1:31.4	March 26, Anthropic more than doubled its annual recurring revenue from $9 billion to more than
1:39.1	$20 billion. According to several analysts, there is no record of any company ever growing this fast at this scale.
1:47.4	Now, I don't need Jack Clark or anybody, an anthropic, to read me a corporate statement about the company's revenue growth.
1:53.2	I can very easily do that myself.
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