The Observer. Hello, it's Ada and you're listening to the Slow Newscast Extra. That moment in the week when we here in the newsroom get to talk about what's on our minds. This week, we found ourselves thinking once again about AI.

Even the Pope's at it.

His first papal teaching two days ago warned us that we must make sure AI serves humanity rather than threatens it.

There's no doubt that we're undergoing an AI revolution.

The question is, is that a good thing?

And there is one AI company in particular

that might actually share the Pope's caution, Anthropic.

They're the ones that created the Claude Chatbot,

and they're also one of the most powerful startups in history.

In the coming months,

Anthropics' valuation is expected to exceed $900 billion.

The company has set itself apart from its rivals by espousing not the virtues of AI, but

its possible dangers. Anthropics co-founder and CEO Dario Amaday predicted AI could wipe out

50% of entry-level white-collar jobs in just a couple of years.

And fellow co-founder Jack Clark has written about how he's deeply terrified of this technology.

So when Jack Clark came to Oxford to give a lecture last week,

the Observer's technology editor Patricia Clark sat down with him to discuss what AI might mean for humanity, for jobs,

for health, and so much more.

So you're a former journalist, which I think naturally means you're a bit of a cynic.

I've heard you say in interviews before that you were kind of

beat over the head with this idea that this technology really does work and it is going to,

as you just said, kind of change our lives. I wonder if there was a particular moment for you,

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