Anthropic co-founder: AI impact ‘10x larger and 10x faster than industrial revolution’
Ways to Change the World with Krishnan Guru-Murthy
Channel 4 News
4.7 • 1.2K Ratings
🗓️ 4 May 2026
⏱️ 61 minutes
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Summary
Artificial intelligence is evolving faster than ever - and the debate over AI safety, regulation, and control is intensifying.
In this episode of Ways to Change the World, Krishnan Guru-Murthy speaks to Jack Clark, co-founder and Head of Policy at Anthropic, the company behind the Claude AI systems. A former journalist turned AI insider, Clark has been at the centre of some of the biggest debates shaping the future of this technology - from safety and regulation to the race between innovation and control.
They discuss Clark’s journey from reporting on AI to building it, his decision to leave OpenAI over concerns about safety, and the growing fear that powerful systems are outpacing our ability to manage them. From warning governments at the UN to grappling with the risks as a father, Clark reflects on the tension at the heart of his work: what does it mean to build something you believe could be dangerous?
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| 0:00.0 | We are building a technology that may have the properties of something that kickstarts a process |
| 0:07.1 | 10 times larger than the industrial revolution that occurs in 10 times less time. |
| 0:11.6 | How do you square that as an individual ethically, morally, knowing that you're working with a technology |
| 0:17.9 | that, as you say, may be great, but could destroy the world. |
| 0:22.8 | And it's making you a billionaire. |
| 0:23.9 | If there's anything that's going to need to change in the future, it's arriving at some kind |
| 0:28.6 | of regulatory format which actually controls the industry rather than just a bunch of extremely |
| 0:33.7 | big personalities, making big personality idiosyncratic decisions about perhaps the |
| 0:39.3 | most powerful technology that's ever been built. And finally, as a topic, what do you think the |
| 0:43.2 | future of AI and sex is? |
| 0:46.6 | It's an unexpected question. |
| 0:52.4 | Hello and welcome to Ways to Change the World. |
| 0:54.7 | I'm Christian Guru Murphy and this is the podcast in which we talk to extraordinary people |
| 0:58.7 | about the big ideas in their lives and the events that have helped shape them. |
| 1:02.7 | My guest today is Jack Clark, co-founder and head of policy at Anthropic, |
| 1:07.5 | who make the Claude AI systems. |
| 1:09.9 | Before moving into tech, he was an English graduate and a |
| 1:12.8 | journalist. Now he's one of the voices both evangelising about the possibilities of AI and warning |
| 1:19.1 | about its dangers and discussing what governments should do to protect us from technological |
| 1:24.1 | leaps that are outpacing our ability to control them. Jack, welcome to the podcast. |
| 1:29.1 | Thank you very much indeed for joining us. If you could change the world in any way, how would you change it? |
| 1:34.1 | I want to give the world a better way to understand the most powerful technology being developed in Silicon |
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