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Answering Evolution Questions, Planetary Protection. Aug 4, 2023, Part 2

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🗓️ 4 August 2023

⏱️ 47 minutes

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Protecting Other Planets From Earth’s Germs

For decades, people have been trying to figure out how to avoid contaminating other planets as they explore them—an idea called planetary protection. As missions venture forth to places such as Mars or Jupiter’s moon, Europa, the need to protect worlds that could support life becomes more critical. And at the same time, as space programs begin to bring samples back to Earth from places like Mars or asteroids, planetary protection becomes a concern in another way—the need to protect Earth from potential unknown life forms from the cosmos.

Sending humans to another world raises the stakes even more. NASA has a limit of no more than 300,000 spores (single-celled organisms) allowed on board robotic Mars landers. But human bodies contain trillions of microorganisms, making it impossible for human missions to achieve the same level of microbial cleanliness as robotic landers.

Dr. Nick Benardini is a NASA official responsible for ensuring that the proper precautions are made to prevent humans from contaminating outer space. Ira Flatow spoke to him about how to avoid spreading microbes between planets.

Ask An Expert: An Evolution Education

Most people raised in the U.S. were taught about evolution in science class growing up. But how much do you actually remember? Charles Darwin’s On the Origin of Species or Gregor Mendel’s pea plant experiments may ring a bell, but it’s likely most of us could use a refresher.

A good grasp on the science of evolution is extra important these days, argues Prosanta Chakrabarty, author of the new book, Explaining Life Through Evolution, and curator of fishes at Louisiana State University. In 2008, Louisiana’s governor signed the Louisiana Science Education Act, which allows schools to teach creationism as an alternative to evolution.

Chakrabarty joins Ira to talk about the science behind evolution and take questions from listeners.

Read an excerpt of the book here.

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0:00.0

This is Science Friday, I'm I Reflado. A little bit later we'll be taking your calls about evolution.

0:06.0

What would you like to know about evolution? Well, you can ask an expert.

0:10.1

Yeah, our number 844-724-8255-844-SI Talk.

0:15.9

But first, remember the Orson Wells radio drama and then the movie War of the Worlds,

0:22.7

where the Martians try to conquer the Earth. They actually start winning and then mysteriously,

0:29.4

they die. It turns out they die from what the common cold to which they have no immunity.

0:36.9

Science fiction, yeah? Well, what about reality? What's to prevent just the opposite from happening?

0:43.0

I mean, a space probe returning from space to Earth bringing foreign microbes to our planet.

0:49.9

I bring this up because next month, NASA's Osirius Rex probe will bring the first sample

0:55.7

of an asteroid back to Earth. The capsule is projected to land in Utah's desert,

1:01.0

and scientists hope the sample of asteroid dust on board will help them get a snapshot

1:07.3

of our solar system maybe 4 billion years ago. But is there any risk to bringing back material

1:14.1

from space to Earth when we don't entirely know what's in it? Well, let me give you the flip side.

1:20.8

What about when we send missions to other planets or moons like Mars or Europa? Could we

1:27.5

accidentally contaminate them with Earth microbes? Here with me now is someone who thinks a lot about

1:34.1

this question and questions like this, Dr. Nick Bernardini, is NASA's planetary protection officer

1:41.2

based at NASA's headquarters in Washington, DC? Welcome to Science Friday.

1:46.2

Thanks for having me, Ira. Thank you for coming. Let's talk about Osirius Rex projected to return

1:53.0

to Earth next month as far as we know there's no life there, but how do we ensure that anything from

1:58.6

that asteroid does not contaminate us? Yeah, that's an excellent question. So for planetary protection,

2:04.7

we have a whole series of international scientists and engineers that think about this on a regular

2:10.2

basis called Committee of Space Research. And so they put forth international guidelines and current

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