Another Way Out w/ William C. Anderson

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🗓️ 16 April 2026

⏱️ 95 minutes

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This episode was originally released June 23rd, 2025 for Death Panel patrons and is being re-aired today. To support the show and help make episodes like this one possible, become a patron at www.patreon.com/deathpanelpod Beatrice speaks with William C. Anderson about the liberal tendency to limit political action to voting while simultaneously blaming victims of the electoral system for their own oppression (e.g. dismissal of the south as somehow “deserving” Republican control). We also discuss how this tendency towards indirect democracy vs direct democracy can spur despair and resignation, and how to resist it. Read William's piece, Another way out: Fighting back against inaction here: https://prismreports.org/2025/06/03/inaction-voting-revolutionary-change/ Find William's book The Nation on No Map: Black Anarchism and Aboliton here: https://bookshop.org/a/118130/9781849354349 and his book, co-authored with Zoé Samudzi, As Black as Resistance: Finding the Conditions for Liberation, here: https://bookshop.org/a/118130/9781849353168 We're testing out a new Bookshop.org page (still under construction), where you can find books by past guests and book recommendations from the hosts. Find it here: https://bookshop.org/shop/deathpanel Show links: Get Health Communism here: https://bookshop.org/a/118130/9781839765179 Find Tracy's book Abolish Rent here: https://bookshop.org/a/118130/9798888902523 Find Jules' latest book, A Short History of Trans Misogyny, here: https://bookshop.org/a/118130/9781804291603 Outro by Time Wharp: https://timewharp.bandcamp.com/track/tezeta

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0:00.0	If we actually want to see something different, if we actually want to see results that are not going to replicate and repeat the past, there's going to have to be some risk and imagination involved.
0:16.1	And if we're stuck on trying to see ourselves represented through the institutions that have facilitated and enabled white supremacy and capitalism, then yeah, we're going to keep getting the same thing every time. I'm I'm I'm
0:38.3	The Welcome to the death panel.
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1:20.3	I'm Beatrice Alder Bolton, and today I'm joined by our guest, William C. Anderson.
1:24.8	William is a writer and activist from Birmingham, Alabama. He is the author of
1:28.8	The Nation on No Map from AK Press in 2021, and co-author of the book, As Black as Resistance,
1:34.7	also from AK Press in 2018. He's also the co-founder of Offshoot journal and provides creative
1:40.3	direction as a producer of the Black Autonomy Podcast. And I've asked him on today to talk
1:45.3	about a column that he's been writing for Prism for almost a year now called Another Way Out.
1:49.6	And we're going to be focusing on the one that he wrote in early June called Fighting Back Against
1:53.7	Inaction. William, welcome to the Death Panel. Hey, thanks for having me on.
1:57.9	Thank you so much for joining us today. I'm so glad to have you on the show finally.
2:01.8	Your work has been deeply influential to me over the years, and it just moves with clarity
2:06.7	and urgency through and against the mess of liberal platitudes and, you know, shell games
2:11.7	that dominate mainstream political discourse in the U.S.
2:14.6	And I think your work has always insisted that we really take struggles seriously,
2:18.6	not as a metaphor or a mood, but as a real material process.
2:23.7	And we wanted to talk with you now because this moment demands the kind of clarity that your
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