Hi everybody, welcome to Dance Know's History. What a treat I've got for you now on this

podcast. I've got Professor David Runsum and back on a legend. We're talking about his

history of ideas, season two. The guy, he just goes on there and he just monologues about

the most important political theorists of all time. He tells us about their lives. He

tells us about why they're thinking matters. And he tells us that these giant minds were

wrestling with the same things that we're wrestling with. How do we get a better politics?

And who the hell put these people in charge of us? Why these lunatics running society?

To all the politicians listening to this, and I know there are one or two, I'm not talking

about you, I'm talking about the other guys. Always a great pleasure to have Professor David

Runsum and on. You can hear his podcast on the talking politics feed wherever you get

your pods. If you want to listen to previous episodes in which David Runsum and has come

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In the meantime, though, everybody, enjoy this chat in which things get a bit gritty with

Professor David Runsum and...

Hello, Prof. Great to have you back on the podcast. Pleasure. You've got another one of your

series out where you just discussed the whole history of political thought through leading

practitioners. How did you choose the last set? Like, what was the driving principle? It

wasn't just like his eight famous political theorists, I'm going to talk about them.

So the last one started with Hobbes, Leverthan, and the theme was the state. The modern state

is sometimes called the thing that we still love under pandemic. Times we realize we still

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