It's the Brian Laris Show on WNYC. Good morning again, everyone. With us now, Jody Rudoran, editor of the

Forward, the big Jewish newspaper here in the United States that publishes primarily for a

Jewish-American readership. Some of you know Jody Radorne's previous work as Jerusalem Bureau Chief for

the New York Times. Now Jody has written an article in The Guardian calling on the United States

to recognize a state of Palestine, as three European countries did last month. If that's surprising,

coming from the editor-in-chief of a Jewish newspaper that tries to appeal to a broad Jewish

audience, Jewish-American audience, not just Jews on the left, let's hear her argument.

Jody, always good to have you on. Welcome back to WNYC.

Thanks, Brian. Good to be on the show.

The United States already calls for a two-state solution, which would recognize both in Israel and a Palestine. What are you calling for that's different from that? That's exactly right, Brian.

I mean, I think the only way forward is to resolve the conflict and to acknowledge that the only way for Jews and Palestinians to have their full rights of self-determination is to have a two-state solution.

I think my article is it's less about

calling on the U.S. to recognize the state of Palestine than calling on the U.S., Israel,

and American Jews to not freak out about the idea of Palestinians wanting recognition

and of Europeans and others granting them recognition.

The argument is really about to reframe the conversation about this conflict and about

ending this conflict as one about reconciling narratives of the past versus framing an

agreement about how to go forward from today.

It's very, very clear to me from my experience covering this conflict that whenever the parties

talk about the past and about like who did what to whom when or who stole what or who has more rights, that it goes nowhere.

We're talking about two indigenous peoples to a single piece of land.

The only way I can see this conflict being resolved is to find a reasonable way of dividing

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