Before this BBC podcast kicks off, I'd like to tell you about some others you might enjoy.

My name's Will Wilkin and I Commission Music Podcast for the BBC.

It's a really cool job, but every day we get to tell the incredible stories behind songs, moments and movements,

stories of struggle and success, rises and falls, the funny, the ridiculous.

And the BBC's position at the heart of British music means we can tell those stories like no one else.

We were, are and always will be right there at the center of the narrative.

So whether you want an insightful take on music right now or a nostalgic deep dive into some of the most famous and

infamous moments in music check out the music podcasts on BBC Sounds.

BBC Sounds music radio podcasts.

There's a lovely little series on Radio 4 called Great Wives.

It's about the influence of some of the spouses on some of the major names from history, highlighting the role the wives played in their

lives and careers. We've got a very good example of one of those today here on great lives but before we talk about the wife in

question I must introduce my guest. Anica Rice first leapt onto our screens as

the Skyrunner on Channel 4's Treasure Hunt. I still remember that and I've just

been looking again at some of those episodes Anaka and you have the ability somehow to punch through the cameras and connect

directly with your audience it's a kind of genius I suppose is innate what I

think also is just very ahead of its time, that program,

because in the 80s, women weren't on television in those roles.

They were either lying draped across a car

as a prize on the golden shot, that the car not the woman or they were sort of

of news reader behind a desk so I think I did punch through and then you then moved

on to challenge Anika on the BBC's since when you've been on virtually every moved on backed about Anika, she studied at the Chelsea College of Art and maybe that background informs your choice today.

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