My first exposure to the work of today's guest, Elamot, it was her iconic book, Bird by Bird,

which as a writer was really transformative.

Not just because it helped me better understand how am I to write, but also because her wonderfully

wise and a reverent voice inspired me to be more real, to be more honest in both my work

and my life, which is not always the easiest thing, especially when you're trying to write

something that feels true to you but also lands with the world.

Sometimes we can really judge and filter.

I have remained captivated by her writing voice and her craft ever since.

The author of too many New York Times bestsellers, including almost everything hallelujah,

a small victory stitches, held thanks wow, and her most recent dusk night dawn, which

absolutely love, and goes places that others really fear to tread with such humility and

humor and craft.

It's like you've been invited into her mind and her life and her ability to draw belly

laughs and deep wisdom and hits of awakening from those often tiny moments that huts down

in our lives that so many of us just entirely miss.

To remind us, it may not be fun while it's happening, but it's kind of all part of that

beautiful souffle of life and every single ingredient matters.

So excited to share this conversation with you.

I'm Jonathan Fields and this is Good Life Project.

Born in San Francisco grew up in the Bay area, you write in your book actually, Dread

was my governess growing up.

Tell me more about that.

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