We're bringing Australian True Crime live to Brisbane, Sydney and Melbourne this July,

and I have to tell you that Brisbane sold out already.

Good for you, Brisbane, so we've quickly added a second show.

Now we can't keep adding more shows, so please make sure you get your tickets. Our special guests,

our forensic criminologist Santee Mallet in Brisbane and Sydney and the one and only Charlie Bazzina in

Melbourne. There'll be a Q&A of course so you can ask your own burning questions on the night but you have to book quickly.

We acknowledge the traditional owners of the land on which this podcast is recorded.

We pay our respects to their elders, past and present, and to Aboriginal elders emerging.

This is a reissue of an interview we conducted about a year ago with journalist Chris Johnston,

about the book and documentary he and Rosie Jones created, about the story of the family, the Australian-based religious cult

run by Anne Hamilton Byrne. Anne died in a suburban Melbourne nursing home last week and I was able to speak to former detective Lex

de Mann about that yesterday. I've uploaded that new interview but I thought I

should reissue this one as well for background. I'm looking right at each one of you.

You are the

I'm looking right at each one of you.

You are the initiate.

You are the the cause we've been.

Under the influence of LSD,

Wiantian had this vision

that she's got to collect all these children from birth.

We've received the call

and great things will be done.

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