This podcast is called Not Just The Tudors. But it also is The Tudors. And this week to mark

the 485th anniversary of Ambulin's death, which was on the 19th of May 1536, I've gone to town,

with a two-part podcast special reflecting on Anne's life and her afterlives.

Featuring new research and reflections from some of those who have worked to chip away at the myths

that stick to Ambulin like barnacles to a rock, this podcast special blows away the dust

and breathes new life into a figure who's often more remembered for how she died than how she lived.

And today we're thinking about Anne and her afterlives. Ambulin has long featured in historical

fiction, in films and in popular TV depictions of the Tudors. Many of these repeat long held myths

about Anne that she was a witch, that she had a sixth finger, that she gave birth to a deformed

fetus, all they reiterate tired tropes of Anne as a fem for tower, a seductress, a schema,

an ambitious woman who reached too high and deserved to fall. So to discuss our perceptions of

Ambulin, how these have changed over the centuries, how perhaps massagernie has played a role,

and how she's had many afterlives, I'm delighted to be joined by a panel of experts.

Claire Richway, since 2009 has run the Ambulin Files.com, which is a go-to site for everything

about the Tudor period. She's also a founder of the Tudor Society and has published several books

including The Fall of Ambulin in 2012. She describes herself as Onakru Seid to debunk the myths

surrounding Ambulin and educate the world about the real Anne. Also in 2009, Natalie Gruninger created

on the Tudor Trail, a website that focuses on the historic sites and buildings associated with Anne,

and with Sarah Morris, she co-authored In the Footsteps of Ambulin. She's also the host of

The Wonderful Talking Tudor's podcast. So both Natalie and Claire know a lot about why people

are interested in Anne. Then there's Dr Stephanie Russo, whose discipline chair of literature at

McCurry University, Australia, and she's the author of The Afterlife of Ambulin,

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