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Tees and sees apply, Samsung.com pricing shown. Welcome to the Bullwerk Podcast. I'm Mona Charon, sitting in for the vacationing Charlie Sykes. I host a different

Bulwork podcast that you may not know about but it's called Beg to Differ and it comes

out every Friday. We do a panel discussion where we have conversations,

civil conversations may I add, from the center left to center right perspective

with a panel of four regulars, Bill Galston,

Damon Linker, Linda Chavez, and me.

And then every week we have a guest.

So I recommend that you check us out,

beg to differ.

It's a good way to start your weekend.

Well, today I am delighted to welcome

as the guest on this podcast, Anne Applebaum. She is a staff writer at the Atlantic and the author of a number of important books including Red Famine Stalin's War on Ukraine, highly relevant to events now, the Pulitzer Prize winning

Gulag, a history, and most recently, Twilight of Democracy, the seductive lure of authoritarianism. And thanks so

much for joining me. You're in Warsaw, right? I am in Warsaw, I just arrived

actually.

Well, so I also should tell our listeners that your husband has now taken the post of

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