Anne Applebaum on the Red Famine

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🗓️ 1 November 2017

⏱️ 27 minutes

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Stalin’s 1929 agricultural collectivization policy, which catalyzed the most lethal famine in European history, left millions of Ukrainian peasants dead. Pulitzer Prize-winning author and journalist Anne Applebaum recently published a book on this famine and the horrors of Stalin’s agricultural collectivization in Ukraine, revealing the more insidious intent behind the Soviet Union’s policy and enforcement. Last week, Benjamin Wittes interviewed Applebaum on her new book, Red Famine: Stalin’s War on Ukraine, to discuss the scope of the book, the devastating impact of Stalin’s policy on Ukraine’s peasant population, and the book’s relevance to Putin’s current agenda.

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0:29.0	To the oligarchic autocracy that Putin now represents,
0:37.0	this kind of political movement is a huge challenge.
0:41.0	And of course, if Ukraine became European,
0:43.0	anything resembling European or anything resembling,
0:46.0	democracy that's an enormous existential challenge to the Putin regime,
0:50.0	because if Ukrainians can be Democrats, then why can't Russians?
0:55.0	These are closely related nations.
0:57.0	They have a lot of overlap.
0:59.0	There's a lot of intermarriage.
1:01.0	There's a lot of joint history.
1:03.0	And the idea that Ukrainians could take a different path from Russia is something that Putin cannot tolerate.
1:09.0	And this, I think, is something you could almost describe as him having in his KGBDNA.
1:13.0	And he's a...
1:14.0	himself was a product of the same system.
1:17.0	He, too, looks upon this threat of rebellion and an energy in Ukraine,
1:22.0	much as Stalin did as it's just an unacceptable challenge,
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