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The Good Fight

Anne Applebaum on How to Fight Back Against Dictators like Putin

The Good Fight

Yascha Mounk

News

4.7 • 963 Ratings

🗓️ 26 March 2022

⏱️ 51 minutes

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Summary

Anne Applebaum is a staff writer for The Atlantic and a Senior Fellow of the Agora Institute at Johns Hopkins University. In her books - most notably Red Famine: Stalin’s War on Ukraine and Iron Curtain: The Crushing of Eastern Europe she has chronicled the terrible human costs of past attempts by Russia to dominate countries in Central and Eastern Europe. In this week’s conversation, Anne Applebaum and Yascha Mounk discuss the developing ideology of "Putinism," what it would look like for Ukraine to win the war, and how democracies can defend their values in a world of resurgent authoritarianism. This transcript has been condensed and lightly edited for clarity. Please do listen and spread the word about The Good Fight. If you have not yet signed up for our podcast, please do so now by following this link on your phone. Email: podcast@persuasion.community  Website: http://www.persuasion.community Podcast production by John Taylor Williams, and Brendan Ruberry Connect with us! Spotify | Apple | Google Twitter: @Yascha_Mounk & @joinpersuasion Youtube: Yascha Mounk LinkedIn: Persuasion Community Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Transcript

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0:00.0

The Economist provides independent journalism for independent thinking and has been

0:05.1

championing progress for almost 200 years.

0:08.3

With the Economist, you gain access to fact-based, deeply researched expert analysis of world events and topics

0:14.3

ranging from business and culture to politics, science and technology.

0:18.2

Tune into the global conversation with reporting from correspondence around the world, available in-app online through

0:25.0

podcasts and print.

0:26.6

So for fact sake, search the economist.

0:31.3

Ukrainians understood both from the Russian occupation of Crimea and from the Russian occupation of Dunyezk

0:37.0

that Russian occupation would be an end of their lives as they know it.

0:41.0

They understood that this would be the end of not just

0:44.3

Ukraine as a country, but also of democracy,

0:47.1

of the more open lifestyle they'd enjoyed,

0:50.7

the more free press they'd enjoyed, the more free conversation they'd enjoyed

0:54.6

and really have enjoyed over the last decade, much more so than Russia.

0:58.5

And so they know they're fighting for something that's existential, it matters to them,

1:02.1

and it matters to them a lot more than it matters to the Russians who are

1:05.1

coming over the border especially some of the younger conscripts who seem at

1:09.4

least in the initial wave didn't understand why they were there at all.

1:13.0

And now the good fight with Yasha Monk.

1:17.0

It's difficult to think about anything other than the war in Ukraine at the moment

1:26.0

and that's what my main conversation this week with an album is going to be about.

1:31.0

But I did want to take a moment to address two upcoming elections in Europe.

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