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Impolitic with John Heilemann

Anne Applebaum and Brian Klaas

Impolitic with John Heilemann

Audacy | Puck

News, Politics

4.8 • 4.5K Ratings

🗓️ 4 January 2022

⏱️ 81 minutes

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Summary

In which John Heilemann talks with Anne Applebaum and Brian Klaas on the eve of the one-year anniversary of the January 6 insurrection. Applebaum, a Pulitzer Prize-winning author and staff writer for The Atlantic, and Klaas, an associate professor at University College London and columnist for The Washington Post, are experts on the breakdown of democratic institutions and the rise of autocratic movements in America and around the world. Heilemann, Applebaum, and Klaas look back on what took place a year ago at the U.S. Capitol and what we know about it now; gauge the progress and prospects of the House Select Committee investigating those events; and assess what the potency of Donald Trump's Big Lie and the embrace of political violence on the right could portend for America’s increasingly fragile democracy. They also discuss Klaas’s new book, Corruptible: Who Gets Power and How It Changes Us, and Applebaum’s latest, Twilight of Democracy: The Seductive Lure of Authoritarianism. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hey everyone, John Hyelman here and welcome to Hell in High Water, my podcast for the

0:18.2

recount about politics and culture on the edge of Armageddon with big ups to my power

0:22.4

Rizza, the presiding genius behind the Santa Bhutan clan, and the producer of our dope

0:27.2

theme music. Hey so, everybody look, it's 2022. Happy new year people! After the abject horror

0:34.4

shows that were the past two years, and especially the last week of 2021, in which we lost

0:40.5

Joe Didian, Harry Reid, John Madden, and Betty White for Crystic, I am tempted to say that it's

0:48.1

hard to imagine that the coming year could be any worse. I mean, some better days must lie ahead,

0:54.6

right? Some reprieve, bestowed by the good Lord up in heaven, or the Demi Gods,

1:01.4

Berside over the realm of man, some respite from the unimaginably horrific, the unprecedentedly

1:08.4

awful, the no good, very bad, massively gargantuanly, horse-shitty run that we've all been enduring

1:14.4

for what seems like forever, some modest, incremental, teeny tiny improvement has to be inevitable,

1:23.2

right? Well, unfortunately, if you believe that, I have six words for you. Don't fucking bet on it,

1:31.0

Bob. My feelings about this are not only rooted in the fact that the entire premise of this

1:35.5

podcast is that all of this apocalyptic end time stuff we're going through is essentially the new

1:40.1

normal. It's also connected to the fact that as far as I can see, there is no reason whatsoever

1:45.2

to doubt the fundamental veracity of one of my all-time favorite political axioms. Good gets better,

1:50.4

and baguettes worse. And this week's episode of Hell in High Water speaks directly to this point

1:54.8

when it comes to the bedruggled state and imperiled fate of American democracy. Something that a

2:00.7

lot of us, for most of our lives, believed was without doubt imperfect and in need of various

2:06.8

reforms and fixes and improvements, but was fundamentally sound, robust, and going to remain

2:13.6

intact for a good long while. But our guests today, both of whom have given this subject a lot of

2:19.0

careful thought, begged to differ. And unfortunately, they are far from alone in being alarmed about

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