Hello David.

Hi Rosabel, it's such a delight to be talking to you.

After all this time, after all these many attempts.

Now, am I right in thinking you're a bit sick at the moment?

I'm a bit thick.

Sick.

I would never call you thick.

No, it's because I'm wearing this retainer.

I'm slurring some words. It's a real

problem. Oh my God. Now look, Rosabel, I've got some great news for you. You and I, I know, are both

big fans of Penn 15. And today on the show, we have Anna Conkel, who was one of the co-creators

and stars of Penn 15, an amazing TV show.

It is amazing.

It's one of the best shows.

What is your favorite thing about Penn 15?

There were just so many incredible details that it felt like, not like a therapy session,

but you know when people unearthed details about being that age and you're like oh my god that's exactly

what it was like or that's exactly that weird thing that i did yeah that you'd never really

thought about since right exactly because it seems so inconsequential or so embarrassing that

you repress it and suddenly all those things are there. And also how strange that they're so

universal. Whether you're in New Zealand, America, we're all the same. And I've got to observe,

whilst we've had this conversation about today's flightless bird episode, I feel you've really

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