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It's our bonus Q&A episode of Books of the Year.

We're here in the studio with best-selling international superstar and Cleaves.

Is that fair enough as a description?

I find that slightly disconcerting, but I still, I still, yeah, I still feel like an imposter,

you know, 20 years of not being really selling very much at all, and then suddenly here I am. Does that give you, sorry, this is one of the questions of the Q&A, but it just

occurred to me, because you mentioned that fact in our other conversation, does that

give you a drive to carry on and keep going because you've still got, you've still got

so many stories in you? What it gives me is no pressure at all, because for all

that time I was writing for the joy of it. And I, not, not because I was making any money,

it wasn't work. It was complete escape and pleasure, and it still is. Fantastic. Okay. And

you've given a lot of encouragement to people who maybe are writing and thinking,

will I ever get there?

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