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The New Yorker Radio Hour

Anita Hill and Jane Mayer on Ketanji Brown Jackson, and the State of the Supreme Court

The New Yorker Radio Hour

WNYC Studios and The New Yorker

Politics, Arts, News, Wnyc, Books, David, Storytelling, Society & Culture, Yorker, New, Remnick

4.26.2K Ratings

🗓️ 8 April 2022

⏱️ 18 minutes

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Summary

Ketanji Brown Jackson has been voted in as a Supreme Court Justice—the first Black woman to serve in that role. But, to reach this milestone, Jackson has faced enormous hurdles at every turn, including confirmation hearings that featured blatant political grandstanding and barely disguised race-baiting. Nominations have become so partisan that, on both the left and the right, the Court itself is commonly viewed as merely a tool of the party that picked its members, and several polls report a decline in public confidence in the Court. “The real political end” of the attacks on Brown Jackson, Hill believes, “is to denigrate her personally, honestly, but also to really reduce the validity of any opinions that she ultimately writes. Even though . . . many of her opinions will be dissenting opinions, dissenting opinions can carry a lot of weight.” Meanwhile, Justice Clarence Thomas’s decision not to recuse himself from cases related to the January 6th insurrection, even after it came to light that his wife Ginni Thomas actively sought to influence Trump Administration officials to try to overturn the Presidential election, also undercuts the court’s impartiality. It seems that the reputation and independence of the Court is in serious trouble.  Anita Hill, a professor of social policy, law, and women’s studies at Brandeis University, spoke with David Remnick about the Ketanji Brown Jackson hearings, along with the staff writer Jane Mayer, who is reporting on the Ginni Thomas controversy. (Hill, who testified in the 1991 Thomas nomination hearings, has declined to speak about his stance on recusal.)

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0:00.0

This is the New Yorker Radio Hour, a co-production of WNYC Studios and The New Yorker.

0:08.7

Welcome to the New Yorker Radio Hour. I'm David Remnick.

0:11.5

The question occurs on the nomination of Katanji Brown Jackson of the District of Columbia

0:19.8

to be an associate justice of the Supreme Court of the United

0:26.0

States. On this vote, the a's are 53, the nays are 47, and this nomination is confirmed.

0:37.3

Katanchi Brown Jackson won the support of several Republicans in the Senate. nomination is confirmed.

0:42.9

Katanji Brown Jackson won the support of several Republicans in the Senate to finalize her nomination as a Supreme Court justice.

0:45.8

But the confirmation hearings along the way featured political grandstanding of the most

0:50.2

blatant and even racist kind.

0:53.2

Jane Mayer has been writing about the Supreme Court for years

0:55.5

for the New Yorker, and we're joined as well by Anita Hill, who's a professor of social policy

1:00.9

and law at Brandeis University. Anita and Jane, thanks so much for joining us. Now, the nomination

1:07.6

process for Katanji Brown-Jack Jackson, although successful in the end, was

1:12.3

grueling and at times extremely ugly.

1:15.4

Anita, you faced the Senate Judiciary Committee in your time during a very different

1:19.7

nominating process.

1:21.1

What was going through your mind as you watch those hearings?

1:24.4

Well, first, just let me make very clear.

1:28.1

I was a witness in a confirmation hearing.

1:33.0

Katanji Brown Jackson is the nominee.

1:38.2

I wasn't surprised that there was an attack on her.

1:43.6

I was shocked at the level or the depths that they would go to

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