Welcome to the Our Head House interview.

This is Jasmine Singer.

This is Mary Ann Sullivan.

And we are so pleased today to welcome back to the show Sue Donaldson and Will commit.

Kim Lika.

I'm going to take that sentence again.

No, Kim Lika.

No, Kim Lika. You're right. I was right. No, we're going to take that sentence again. No, Kim Lika. No, Kim Lika. You're right.

I was right. No, we're going to leave all this in. Is this your way? Kim Lika. Kim Lika.

Okay. So Kim Lika, Sue Donaldson and Will Kim Lika, two of the most important thinkers in the Animal Protection Movement today. And the authors of zoopolis, a political theory of animal rights, to talk about their latest book from Oxford University Press, which is called Animals and the Right to Politics.

And we've been really excited about this interview.

Before we get to that, just a super quick reminder, since if you're like me,

you're forgetting everything these days, that the Our Hen House podcasts are now several times

a week. We last year decided that that was a good shift to make rather than having one

19 hour episode or whatever it was going for. Rising anxieties

comes out on Tuesdays, the hen report on Thursdays, and the long-form interview on Fridays.

And that's what this is. The bonus for flock members comes out on Mondays. Remember, we are a

podcast and we're on YouTube. So please subscribe and hit like wherever you listen. So welcome back to

our henhouse, Will and Sue. Thank you. We're thrilled to be here. Thanks. Yeah. Yeah. We're super

excited about picking your brain. And I think that congratulations, by the way, on your new project

and just putting it out into the world. We want to talk about that.

I think the best place to start is with the title. So what do you mean when you talk about a right to politics? The animal advocacy movement for the past, well, 50 years, I would say, has focused on

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