Hi, I'm David Pena Guzman.

And I'm Ellie Anderson.

Welcome to Overthink.

The podcast were two friends, who are also professors,

put philosophy in dialogue with the everyday.

Because big ideas are within everyone's reach.

Welcome, everyone.

This is the third and final episode of the series on animality that we have done in celebration

of the publication of my book

when animals dream now available on the World Wide Web for purchase, also in brick-and-mortar

bookstores, if you prefer. Classic. Well, so far, Ellie, we have had a ton of discussions about animals and their capacities.

And one question that emerges from those discussions is what kind of social lives do other

animals live?

Yes.

Now that I have been opened up to the world of animals through these episodes,

listen to the first one on animal consciousness, if you're confused about what I mean here.

I'm wondering about the secret lives of animals.

Another way of putting this is, tell me about the secret life of pets.

I am the ped whisperer, although I should tell you that one time when I was going to England

to give a paper at an animal rights conference, the agent who was checking my passport was like,

why are you here?

What are you doing here?

...