What would you do if a secret cabal of the most powerful folks in the United States told you, hey, let's start a coup.

Back in the 1930s, a marine named Smetley Butler was all that stood between the US and fascism.

I'm Ben Bullard. I'm Alex Frinch.

And I'm Smetley Butler. Join us for this sorted tale of ambition, treason, and what happens when evil tycoons have too much time on their hands.

Listen to Let's Start A coup on the IHR radio app Apple Podcast or wherever you find your favorite shows.

After spending four days listening to Jake Wagner testify against his older brother George,

George today heard from both boys, mother, Angela Wagner.

She speaks of her husband and her sons in a very loving manner.

She is really presenting today as a sweet, loving mother.

She's there to save her life, but also the lives of her family.

Lord knows how many people they'd actually stole from her.

It sounds like the old west because they had even gotten involved in poaching and cattle whistling.

You can have sympathy for somebody, but when you take part in killing eight people, sorry, that all goes out the window.

This is The Pigton Massacre, Return to Pike County.

Season 4, episode 19, Angela takes the stand.

I'm Courtney Armstrong, a television producer at KT Studios with Stephanie Leidticker and Jeff Shein.

It's important to note that George Wagner IV has pleaded not guilty and maintained he did not kill anyone.

His father, Billy Wagner, whose trial is upcoming, has also pleaded not guilty to all charges.

We've heard testimony from Jake Wagner about his role in the crimes against the rodent, manly, and gilly families.

Today we're hearing from another pivotal witness for the prosecution.

An accused killer comes face to face with his mother for the first time since both were arrested four years ago.

Yours today heard from both boys, mother, Angela Wagner, looking somewhat frail and wearing a drab jail uniform.

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