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Search your first call to discover how SRM can help your business. You're going to. Andy Greenberg is a senior writer for Wired responsible for security, privacy, and information

freedom, and author of the most excellent book,

Sandworm, a new era of cyber war

and the hunt for the Kremlin's most dangerous hackers.

Welcome to the show, Andy.

Thank you, Rick.

I'm glad to be here. Now Now we ask you to join us today because just this past Monday

19 October 2020 the United States Department of Justice unsealed charges

including computer fraud and conspiracy against six of the hackers who allegedly are part of the hacker crew behind the cyber operations you so clearly articulated in your book and we thought you might have some insight

about what all this means. So thank you for doing that kind of giving us a guide book

for how to understand all this stuff. Yeah reading this indictment to me it's like very gratifying in a way it's a kind of closure on years of tracking this group that you know it's at times it felt like I was in a pretty small club of security

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