Hi. Hi and welcome to the working songwriter the show where today's best songwriters come to talk shop.

I'm your host Joe Pug. Each episode here we host a distinguished guest and we ask them to go deep on their inspiration, on their process, on the general ups and downs of making a life in music.

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