Hello, welcome to the podcast. This is Owen Jones, Andy Burnham. He is the mayor of Greater

Manchester, a long-standing big major figure in Labour politics. Now, I went to chat to him

in batley and spend. That's the constituency where there is a bi-election this week, which

is pretty important for Labour to say the least. And I spoke to Andy about the bi-election,

about why he's supporting him, let be to, about why Labour is struggling in the polls, about

what they could learn from him and about whether or not he has ambitions to stand again for

leader of the Labour Party. A lot to talk about. Do supporters, if you want more documentaries

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feeling particularly generous. And with that, have a listen to me, chat to Andy.

Saturday, I suppose a lot of people in Labour would think what could be learned from Andy

Bird. And I asked that because local elections wasn't the best night for Labour in a lot of

places. Lost a bi-election, not ideal. But you won by a landslide, you won't better than

you did in 2017. So what's the sort of magic dust that the Labour Party could apply elsewhere

because they kind of need it quite badly at the moment?

It's build from the bottom up is what I would say and step outside of the Westminster obsessions

and I know people have heard me say that before but it's true. You know, focus on things

that matter to people and actually be a bit less controlling from the centre. You know,

I think it's really great that Kim is a candidate here. You know, not always sort of somebody

in and out of politics, you know, but someone properly connected here, rooted. And I think

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