Andrew Willard Jones Interview: Church and State

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🗓️ 8 October 2021

⏱️ 71 minutes

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Deacon Harrison Garlick from the Diocese of Tulsa and Eastern Oklahoma has a conversation with Andrew Willard Jones on church and state. Dcn. Harrison Garlick is a deacon, husband, and father who serves as the chancellor and legal counsel for the Diocese of Tulsa and Eastern Oklahoma. He also serves as a tutor for the Alcuin Institute for Catholic Culture teaching in its Great Books program. Andrew Willard Jones holds a PhD in Medieval History from Saint Louis University with a focus on the Church of the High Middle Ages. Jones’s work is primarily concerned with historical political theology and with the reconciliation of the post-modern with the pre-modern. Methodologically, his work treats history as a theological discipline and not as a secular archaeology. Jones has two books forthcoming: Before Church and State: A Study of Social Order in St. Louis IX’s Sacramental Kingdom and The Liturgical Cosmos: Explorations in the Sacramental and Biblical Vision of Pope Innocent III. He is also working on a one volume history of the Catholic Church.

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0:00.0	So welcome everyone. My name is Deacon Harrison Garlick and I serve as the Chancellor in legal counsel for the Diocese of Tulsa. I am honored to be a guest host today for the Catholic Man Show and we are down here in the archives of the Chancerary of the Roman Catholic Diocese of Tulsa. Today as a guest, we have Dr. Andrew Willard Jones. Dr. Andrew Willard Jones is the director of the Catholic Studies at
0:23.0	Franciscan University and is a founding editor of the website in journal New Pauldi. He is the author of
0:29.0	before church and state, a study of the social order in the sacramental kingdom of St. Louis
0:34.4	the 9th. And most recently of the two cities, a history of Christian politics.
0:40.2	Andrew's work focuses on a re-evaluation of our current social predicament through an authentic
0:44.7	Catholic vision of reality. Andrew was raised in Washington State and attended Hillsdale
0:50.5	College, earning degrees in history and economics, and completing a PhD in medieval
0:55.4	church history from St. Louis University. He lives in Steubenville, Ohio, with his wife, Sarah,
1:01.1	and their nine children. So welcome. Thank you. Very much. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. So you are the
1:07.4	author of before church and state, which I think is a phenomenal text.
1:11.9	Thank you.
1:13.4	I think it's how I kind of found out about your work, as I heard about this text.
1:18.2	I think the title is actually one of the main selling points, right?
1:21.2	I actually think the title is fantastic because I think the title before Church and State
1:24.8	immediately starts to stretch the imagination of us as moderns of
1:29.9	well wait what does that mean so maybe as an introduction to the text could you tell us about the
1:35.3	title and what this text is sure sure so what it's doing what I'm trying to do there is just
1:40.8	point out the the historicity or the the historical nature of those categories,
1:47.2	church and state, the way we use them. All right. So we use, we use church and state. How do we do it?
1:52.2	I think if we were going to summarize it very briefly, would be the church is where there's
1:55.7	like religious stuff and the state is where there's not religious stuff or something like
2:00.6	that. And so we have those words
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