Hello and welcome to the Bullwark podcast. I'm your host, Tim Miller, delighted to be here with one of our good friends on the day before Thanksgiving.

He's a professor of practice at NYU Law School. He was chief of the fraud section, which no longer exists at the DOJ, as well as General Counsel of the FBI. He's an MSNBC legal analyst. He has a podcast called Main Justice with Mary McCourt. He is a substact called Behind the Headlines. It's Andrew Weissman. Hi, Tim. How are you? He's bescarfed. He is in Paris and he has bescarved. And I look at you. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, but if I'm Cash Patel, I'm looking at you in this photo right now and I'm thinking, are you a suspect in the Candace Owens situation? She says the French are sending assassins her way. You are in France. You're in a scarf. Have you been speaking to any legionnaires? I was going to make some French trick, but I'm not going to. No, I'm not. But I was very interested that you said that the fraud section doesn't exist anymore. but you didn't say that about the FBI,

but I would say, having been the general counsel of the FBI, the FBI that I knew doesn't

exist anymore either. But yes, all that stuff has gotten dismantled. See, I just jump right

into substance. So I appreciate that. Well, I've got more, I've got more chit-shaft.

For starters, I just looked at this. I'm going to be in trouble because you're an MS now legal analyst now. MS now. MS now, although, you know, did I tell you, I came up with my own sort of way to try and deal with this, which is MS now more than ever. No, more than ever. What do you think? Okay, I'm still working on it. I don't know. I'll let it sit with me for a bit. Just so listeners understand the challenge, you can't change MS now. Right, that's what you've got. You've got to work with that. So you've got to figure out. That's why I do it, MS now. Right. You could do that. but I think MS now more than ever. I'm going to sit with that. So you got to figure out. That's why I do it. MS now. Right. You could do that.

But I think MS now more than ever. I'm going to sit with it. We'll see what I think. I'll think about it over Thanksgiving dinner. You know what? I'm going to sit with it. That's not, that's not a yes. What means it at first blush? I don't like it. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. It's like a polite. That is a polite, you know, hard pass.

Okay.

Well, I know, if it was a hard pass, I'd have said hard pass. It's a, I don't think so. Sometimes things grow on me, yeah. Okay. I'm sorry, we've got to start with something uncomfortable before we get into the news. And that is that the president of the United States was in the Oval Office. We don't play his voice on this podcast, so I'm going to have to read it. This was a couple of days ago. He says, he's talking about how he has nothing to do with Jeffrey Epstein. It says, on the other hand, they went to his island many times. I never did. Andrew Weissman, I hear. All these guys were friends with him.

So were you, were you in Epstein canoodling on the island? So you're asking me how the island was and about Jeff? Yeah, I'm asking you about Jeff. There was that weird kind of temple. Did you ever

make it to the temple? You know, if you were alive, I'd be like, what the hell?

How come I didn't get invited to the temple?

But I really don't want to joke about this because this is my answer.

Obviously, every single thing about that is false and defamatory.

And just to be clear, just so that no one's thinking, oh, did he really deny it?

I didn't know him, speak to him, communicate with him. The whole thing's completely false.

You can probably tell by the fact that the president said, I hear. Really? Who do you hear that from?

But here's the serious part. If anyone has any questions, because now you've got the president

saying that and you have me saying it's not true, well, the president has 300 gigabytes of documents

according to the Department of Justice on Jeffrey Epstein. If you have any doubt and he wants to prove

that I'm canoodling with him or in any way

palling around, go ahead and release all of that. And by the way, this has nothing to do with Congress.

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