So welcome.

This is the first Socrates in the studio session with my guest, Andrew Claven.

Andrew, no pressure.

It's the first.

This is the first.

Now, I could destroy this whole project.

I know.

You could blow this whole thing into the future.

It just simply won't exist.

Why I'm here?

Because of the failure of what we're about to do. No, so, so there's really no audience. If you hear people laughing,

I don't know who they are. We, we, this is meant to be just a conversation between us. And yet there are a few people here in the shadows.

They're not going to be on camera because they're hideous.

But the fact of the matter is that this really is the first Socrates and City session.

And as I told you earlier, and as people will know, the conversation that we had a year ago,

it's amazing that it's a year ago about your book, The Truth and Beauty, it was so wonderful

that I thought, I want to continue the conversation.

And I couldn't find the money because people don't like you.

And it was just hard.

And I said, how can we do this?

Something I said.

Yeah, it was something you said.

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