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Today, we are actually doing something a little different.

We've done it before. We are airing my conversation from Socrates in the

city with the extraordinary Andrew Claven. One of the best ever. If you want more information,

go to Socratesinthecity.com. And now here is that event.

But in Paradise Lost, Milton is trying to show that there's a difference between

rebelling against a king, which he had done.

He had endorsed the beheading of Charles I, and had to run for his life after Charles

the second came in.

And he was trying to show the, Paradise Lost is his attempt to show the difference between that and rebelling against God, which is rebelling against goodness and creation. And,

and so that, that idea, well, how do we now rebel against kings and rebel against the church

and yet not rebel against God was where Wordsworth and Coleridge kind of started without even

knowing it. They didn't know they were doing this. I mean, Coleridge might have. He was so brilliant.

But they wrote this book called Lyrical Ballads, which transformed English poetry. And it's a book

in which they sort of say, we're going to show how the imagination, in collaboration with reality, transforms and enchance reality and how it brings

even the smallest of people nobility. And they basically reinvented this Christian ethos through

nature, through looking at nature, which they didn't, like I said, Colerden knew he was doing it,

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