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Welcome to the Eric Mataxis show with your host, Eric Mataxis.

Hey there folks, welcome to the show. Today we are actually doing something a little different.

We've done it before. We are airing my conversation from Socrates in the city with the

extraordinary Andrew Klaven. One of the best ever, if you want more information, go to Socrates

in the city.com. And now here is that event. But in Paradise Lost, Milton is trying to show that

there's a difference between Rebellion against a king, which he had done. He had endorsed

the beheading of Charles the First and had to run for his life after Charles II came in.

And he was trying to show the Paradise Lost as his attempt to show the difference between that

and Rebellion against God, which is Rebellion against goodness and creation.

So that idea, well how do we now rebel against kings and rebel against the church and yet not

rebel against God was where Wordsworth and Colourage kind of started without even knowing it.

They didn't know they were doing this. I mean, Colourage might have, he was so brilliant.

But they wrote this book called Lyrical Ballads, which transformed English poetry, and it's a book

in which they sort of say we're going to show how the imagination in collaboration with reality

transforms an enchance reality and how it brings even the smallest of people nobility.

And they basically reinvented this Christian ethos through nature, through looking at nature,

which they didn't, like I said, Colourage knew he was doing it, but Wordsworth, I'm not sure,

actually understood. Wordsworth ended his life as a Christian, but it took him a long time to come

there. And they sort of passed this journey on to John Keats, who was the greatest English poets

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