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Theories of Everything with Curt Jaimungal

Andres Gomez-Emilsson: The Science of Engineered Conscious States

Theories of Everything with Curt Jaimungal

Curt Jaimungal

Physics, Philosophy, Society & Culture, Science

4.6606 Ratings

🗓️ 26 February 2025

⏱️ 175 minutes

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Andrés Gómez Emilsson, director of the Qualia Research Institute, examines consciousness from philosophical and scientific perspectives, describing his journey founding QRI to reduce suffering and enhance experience. He discusses psychedelics, the self as a series of experiences, and how sensory resonance (“impedance matching”) shapes awareness.0:00 The Most Important Problem1:49 The Hard Problem and Ontologies5:15 Journey into Consciousness9:06 The Qualia Research Institute10:49 Shattering Realities17:12 Happiness vs. Meaning19:15 Defining Happiness25:28 Psychological Egoism33:45 Understanding Consciousness38:01 The Qualia Research Institute's Goals49:21 Exploring Impedance Matching58:25 The Dance of Dissonance1:03:22 The Nature of Suffering1:10:32 The Concept of Oneness1:17:02 Zero Ontology Explained1:27:20 The Nature of Reality1:28:57 The Self and Sense of Self1:30:53 Stages of Consciousness1:37:35 Transformations in Consciousness1:46:20 The Role of Psychedelics2:02:01 Exploring 5-MeO-DMT2:21:03 Psychedelics and Buddhist Philosophy2:45:32 Insights on Jhana States2:51:31 Conclusion and ReflectionsSPONSORS:- I personally subscribe to The Economist. TOE listeners get 35% off the annual subscription. No other podcast has this! https://economist.com/TOERESOURCES:- Qualia Research Institute (website): https://qri.org/- Andres’s Qualia profile: https://qri.org/people/andr%C3%A9s-g%C3%B3mez-emilsson- David Chalmers’s 2024 presentation at Mindfest: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5r9V1ryksnw- Bernardo Kastrup on TOE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAB21FAXCDE- The Hedonistic Imperative (book): https://amzn.to/3Di7Xx5- Why Does Anything Exist? (book): https://www.amazon.com/Why-Does-Anything-Exist-Mysteries-ebook/dp/B0DKBHMC3C- Mastering the Core Teachings of the Buddha (book): https://www.amazon.com/Mastering-Core-Teachings-Buddha-Unusually/dp/1911597108- Andres on The DemystifySci Podcast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjWDURKNe2Q- ‘Replications’ group on Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/replications/- Stuart Hameroff’s Mindfest presentation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_bQwdJir1o- The Doors of Perception (book): https://amzn.to/4ijduTb- From Neural Activity to Field Topology (article): https://qualiacomputing.com/2025/02/09/from-neural-activity-to-field-topology-how-coupling-kernels-shape-consciousness/- Seeing That Frees (book): https://amzn.to/43fm15m- Practicing the Jhanas (meditation series): https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLO6hhaAzLmiqUzBYuLLJQ8FexOTRxz8xF- The Dalai Lama, Psychedelics & Cher (article): https://tricycle.org/article/dalai-lama-psychedelics-cher/- Advice to Sigālaka (article): https://suttacentral.net/dn31/en/sujato?lang=en&layout=plain&reference=none&notes=asterisk&highlight=false&script=latin- Join My New Substack (Personal Writings): https://curtjaimungal.substack.com- Listen on Spotify: https://tinyurl.com/SpotifyTOE- Become a YouTube Member (Early Access Videos): https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdWIQh9DGG6uhJk8eyIFl1w/join- Support TOE on Patreon: https://patreon.com/curtjaimungal- Twitter: https://twitter.com/TOEwithCurt- Discord Invite: https://discord.com/invite/kBcnfNVwqs Theories of Everything with Curt Jaimungal features long-form, technically detailed interviews with leading researchers in physics, mathematics, consciousness, and philosophy, exploring topics at the level of active research. For academics, graduate students, and anyone seeking depth beyond popular science. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

What's the most important problem for a scientific theory of consciousness to solve?

0:04.6

Oh my goodness. That's a wonderful question. I think I would have difficulty prioritizing just one.

0:12.3

I'm going to say there's four that any scientific theory of consciousness must be able to satisfy,

0:19.2

which is, first of all, any theory of consciousness has to explain

0:23.4

why consciousness exists to begin with. Second, it has to explain what's called the palette

0:31.3

problem. Essentially, what are all of the qualia values and varieties out there and the interrelations

0:37.4

between them.

0:38.2

You know, why is there the blueness of blue and, you know, the way as a rose smells.

0:43.8

Like, what is that? And how are they connected to each other?

0:47.2

The third is what are the causal properties of consciousness?

0:51.4

Like, in other words, why are we conscious, you know, from a biological

0:55.1

evolutionary perspective? What kind of function is it playing? And then the fourth one is the binding

1:01.0

problem. You know, how is it possible that, you know, pieces of information can actually be put

1:05.9

together into unified moments of experience? And for me, you know, these are kind of like four hard

1:11.9

constraints that any theory of consciousness must be able to satisfy. And I think what is

1:16.6

very common, though, is for theories of consciousness to only really care about a few of them

1:22.4

or sometimes like none of them at all. But I think like, yeah, I mean, it's sort of like, if you want to go to the moon, you've got to be able to not only, you know, have the escape velocity to get there, you also, you know, need an airtight container, right, like, so that you don't asphyxiate on the way there. And I think of it something like that. You know, there's like a series of things, theory of consciousness must be able to do. And if you only do a few of them, it's not really a theory of consciousness. Okay, we're going to get to your background, who you are, how you got interested in the field of consciousness. But I noticed you didn't talk about the hard problem, nor the boundary problem. I'm curious as to why.

2:01.7

Yeah, great question. I tend to, in a sense, like, lump together the binding problem and the

2:06.2

boundary problem, even though legitimately you can think of them as different sub-problems.

2:11.4

The reason I do this is that I sort of think of them as equivalent just in different ontologies. So if you start out in kind of

2:20.5

the common sense view of the universe where the universe is made of atoms and forces, then typically

2:27.4

you will think of it as like the binding problem. It's like how is it possible that atoms,

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