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Wicked Words - A True Crime Talk Show with Kate Winkler Dawson

Andrea Dunlop: The Mother Next Door

Wicked Words - A True Crime Talk Show with Kate Winkler Dawson

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True Crime

4.8 • 7.3K Ratings

🗓️ 13 April 2026

⏱️ 61 minutes

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Summary

One type of crime we don’t talk about much is Munchausen by proxy. It’s a mental health condition and a form of child abuse. It's where a caregiver exaggerates, makes up, or induces physical or psychological symptoms in a child to make them seem sick. Or it could be another person under their care. Author Andrea Dunlop writes about Munchausen by Proxy in her book, The Mother Next Door: Medicine, Deception, and Munchausen by Proxy. She and a Texas detective review his past cases and try to make sense of what happened. Andrea and I also talk about perhaps the most well-known case, Gypsy Rose Blanchard. 

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0:06.9

Hey, it's Jake Brennan, and on my podcast, Disgraceland, I tell stories from the dark side of the music business.

0:13.2

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0:37.0

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0:38.6

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0:40.2

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0:43.3

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0:46.8

Listener discretion is advised.

0:52.4

It is profoundly traumatic for some of these doctors to find out that they've been used as a tool to harm the child.

1:10.5

I'm Kate Winkler Dawson, a nonfiction author and journalism professor in Austin, Texas.

1:16.1

I'm also the co-host of the podcast, Buried Bones on Exactly Right.

1:20.3

And throughout my career, research for my many audio and book projects has taken me around the world.

1:27.0

On Wicked Words, I sit down with the people I've met along the way,

1:30.9

amazing writers, journalists, filmmakers, and podcasters

1:34.4

who have investigated and reported on notorious true crime cases.

1:39.1

This is about the choices writers make, both good and bad,

1:43.1

and it's a deep dive into the unpublished details behind their stories.

1:49.0

One type of crime we don't talk about much is Munchausen by proxy. It's a mental health condition and a form of child abuse.

1:56.7

It's where a caregiver exaggerates, makes up, or induces physical or psychological symptoms in a child to make them seem sick.

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