This is an I-Heart podcast.

Guaranteed Human.

Hi, it's Andrea Gunning.

Last week, we shared Andrea Dunlop's story.

On this week's episode, Andrea and I sit down for a conversation about true crime podcasting.

We get into what this work means for us and how we approach these stories.

We hope you enjoy it.

Andrea, thank you so much for joining me. I'm a listener and also a huge fan of Nobody Should Believe Me, which is your show. And, you know, we just shared your story on

Betrayal Weekly. And I'm just so glad our two shows are collaborating because I think

that Manchausen by proxy, which is what you cover in your show, shares a lot in common with

betrayal. Earlier, we were joking that this conversation is kind of like the Andrea Andrea True

Crime Summit, but that's really what it feels like. So I'm hoping we can really

compare notes about what it's like working in this space. Yeah. I'd love to start off with just

your background. How did you get into being a true crime podcaster? You know, I often joke that

I'm a recovering TV executive. And so I come, I hail from the TV space, but I work for a company called Glass Entertainment Group and we specialize in reality TV and documentaries. And for about seven and a half, eight years, I was overseeing our business department. So I was the

executive in charge of production. So I did all the boring things in TV, which is like the

budget, the financing, like all the hard stuff. And my colleague Ben and I were constantly

working through legal deals with our development department.

And we were seeing great stories getting passed by TV executives and networks.

And one story that came across our desk, we were working with Kim Goldman, who is the sister of Ron Goldman, who was murdered by O.J. Simpson.

And we were trying to sell something in TV with her, but a lot of TV networks weren't interested

in the project unless OJ was involved or OJ was attached or we could guarantee an interview with OJ.

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