This is the Reason Interview, where we go deep with the artists, entrepreneurs, and visionaries who are making the world more libertarian, or at least a little more interesting.

I'm Eric Bame, filling in for Nick Gillespie.

This week, our guest is Tony Gilroy, the world-renowned screenwriter, director, and creator of Andor, the Star Wars original series that ran for two seasons on Disney Plus.

Its critical acclaim and loyal fans are no surprise, but Andor is also a series with

political themes that overlap with a lot of libertarian ideas.

As a prequel to the original Star Wars trilogy, Andor deals with the organization of the Rebel

Alliance that will eventually take down the Death Star, and follows key figures in the rebellion as they confront difficult political and moral choices

in the face of a growing authoritarian threat.

It also presents the evil Galactic Empire in a new light as a bureaucratic regime that has centralized control

over previously independent planets, corporations, and cultures.

In Gilroy's earlier work, including the Jason Bourne movies, he explored some similar themes

about the limits of government control and the paranoia that comes from living within a surveillance

state. In our conversation, we discussed how he approached developing the heroes and the villains

of Andor, why it matters that

fascists still care about their parking spots, and why the show resonated so strongly with

libertarians. And now, the Reason interview with Tony Gilroy.

Tony Gilroy, thanks for talking to Reason. Pleasure.

Now, you are probably best known, at least right now, as the showrunner behind the two-season Disney Plus show and or. I don't think I'm overstating things here to say that it is the best piece of Star Wars media since the original trilogy, at least, and maybe even the best piece of Star Wars media ever made. That show is a prequel to Rogue One, which I think

will probably also talk a bit about in this conversation. You were involved in the writing

of that movie as well, and that's also in the conversation as the best piece of Star Wars

media since the original series. You're also the writer behind the Jason Bourne movies. We may

get a chance to talk about that as well, but you are joining us, if I'm not

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