And, This Is The Chaos Within The GOP Featuring Ben Shapiro
This is Gavin Newsom
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🗓️ 16 January 2026
⏱️ 110 minutes
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Summary
What happens when the conservative movement turns on one of its own? Governor Newsom is joined by Ben Shapiro to dissect a wide range of topics including Trump's economic failures, the importance of immigration, and how free elections are in fact in danger. Plus they debate Middle East politics, how to solve the housing crisis and whether it's possible to find common ground with those you disagree with.
00:00 Intro
00:36 Ben Shapiro Is California Raised
5:25 Law vs. Politics
7:00 How Bullying Shaped Ben
11:26 Breitbart, Bannon & The Birth of A Right Wing Media Empire
19:02 Are Podcasts' Influence Overrated?
22:06 ICE in California, The Importance of Immigrants & The Benefits of Sanctuary Policies
30:01 Solving The Housing Crisis & Fighting Crony Capitalism
38:47 California vs. Red States
42:51 Did Ben Actually Support Prop 50
47:33 Is Donald Trump Trying To Kill Free Elections?
54:32 TPUSA's America Fest Speech, Candace Owens & The Right Wing Influencer Scene
1:00:50 Shapiro's Relationships With Charlie Kirk & Tucker Carlson
1:03:04 Grievance Based Politics & False Nostalgia
1:08:50 Trump's Economic Troubles, The Affordability Crisis and The Tariff Failure
1:17:06 Shapiro's Justification of Trump's Foreign Policy & The Greenland Question
1:19:49 Trump's Interference With The Fed
1:21:05 Israel, Hamas, The Devastation In Gaza, & Criticisms of Bibi Netanyahu
1:30:30 Gender Affirming Care Under Trump & The Right's Weaponization of LGBTQIA Rights
1:41:08 Is Trump The Scavenger in Ben's Book?
1:45:28 Rapid Fire: Midterm Predictions, Healthcare Subsidies, Vance vs, Rubio, Bondi's Exit
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| 0:00.0 | Either you uphold the principal or you don't uphold the principle. If you don't uphold the principle, I'm going to call you out for not upholding the principal on his epitaph. It will read 45th and 47th presidents of the United States. He said a lot of shit. Sanctuary jurisdictions have lower crime rates. You move to a state that has higher insurance rate, higher car insurance, not just home insurance, has higher property taxes, many of these red states. |
| 0:24.7 | And I think that we should start from a position in the United States of gratitude and recognition that we live in a free country where the vast majority of decisions are your own. |
| 0:29.2 | This is Gavin Newsom. |
| 0:31.8 | And this is Ben Shapiro. |
| 0:36.0 | This is an I-Heart podcast. |
| 0:38.9 | Guaranteed Human. |
| 0:40.6 | All right, Ben Shapiro, welcome. |
| 0:42.2 | Hey, thanks for having me. |
| 0:42.9 | I appreciate it. |
| 0:43.4 | All the way from Florida. |
| 0:44.6 | We'll get to that in a moment. |
| 0:46.8 | You seem a little bit spicy about it. |
| 0:48.6 | Yeah, a little salty. |
| 0:49.4 | Well, you know, Texas, that would have been more spicy. |
| 0:51.9 | But, you know, especially, come on, you're a Hollywood kid, at least Hollywood adjacent. You're a Burbank kid. Born in bread and born in St. Joe's in Burbank. I love that. Well, you're 1984. And you went, you know, and it's interesting because you were, you know, sort of middle class family, grew up and I, you know, got a new book |
| 1:11.0 | we're going to get to in a moment, lions and scavengers. But in that, you talk about your home |
| 1:17.3 | where I think six members of your family living in a two-bedroom home, one bathroom, |
| 1:21.6 | yep, of Burbank, California. And you describe it, at least briefly, is pretty bucolic. |
| 1:26.5 | Yeah, it was great. It was great. |
| 1:27.7 | I mean, Burbank was a great place to grow up. It was like kids playing in the street. And I had the greatest privilege of all, right? I'm an American growing up in the greatest country in the history of the world. And I've got a two-parent household. My parents love each other and they take care of us and they're able to make a middle-class income. My mom started off as a secretary and worked her way up to become vice president of a small film and TV company. |
| 1:47.0 | My dad came out here to be a... middle class income my mom started off as a secretary and worked her way up to become vice president |
| 1:44.9 | of a small film and tv company my dad came out here to be a composer and he ended up playing |
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