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This is Gavin Newsom.

And this is Newt Gingrich.

I just wanted, if I could, just briefly up top, you sent out a couple of tweets over the last 24 hours, specific to Ukraine, obviously topical issue.

And I appreciated, candidly, your tweets, which were a little more assertive pushing back on this notion that somehow time is our

ally with Putin, that it's time to be a little more muscular, time to call him out. You also called

out, I thought, an important fact that's not necessarily part of the discourse. He spent 21 years

in Sweden. I mean, these guys have a longer version of the future.

That was actually the Napoleonic Wars.

Yeah.

But it was Putin who said, look, we fought Sweden for 21 years.

You think I'm going to slow down?

You think I'm going to slow down?

So tell me, I mean, where are you in the over-under?

I mean, I appreciate your advocacy for over under? I mean, I appreciate

your advocacy for Trump, et cetera. But I think, I mean, is the revelation that he's waking up to this new

reality that this is not something you can just snap your fingers. Putin's a different kind of character.

Well, I think that, first of all, he probably shares a lot of people's concern that if you push Putin

too hard, you end up in a tactical nuclear war, and then maybe more. So I think there's a dance

around Putin that's a little more complicated than just yes or no.

On the other hand, I think he actually believed from his first term when they'd had a pretty

good relationship, although he had sent lethal weapons to Ukraine.

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