This is an I-Heart podcast.

This is Gavin Newsom.

And this is Sean Spicer.

You're a substacker now, you're a podcaster.

Obviously, you've done some of the networks and continue to be part of that.

But where I'm enjoying and where I'm seeing Sean Spicer, my guest here on the Gavin

Newsom show, every morning is on two-way with Mark Halperin.

And you're there battling out, but you're doing it in a civil way that,

dare I say, provides almost a civic contribution because of your own unique experiences.

Obviously, Mark, Dan, your co-host, tell me how you landed on this new podcast.

And where the hell have you been, Sean, over the last few years, not just on right-wing media, but what else you've been up to?

I'll take the former first. I mean, obviously, I left the White House in 2017, did a lot of

speaking, wrote a book, which I never thought I do, and I don't think any English teacher who had me in high school ever thought that I would write a book, never mind, read a book. So I had a lot of fun. And, you know, I grew up in Rhode Island. My dad was a boat, a yacht salesman. And so we had good years, bad years. And, you know, we

never, we did, we did well. My parents were amazing. They provided for us. But I, we definitely, we're at middle class at best. And so, like, I got to do things after I left the White House that I still pinched myself sometimes saying, you know, thinking that I got to do. As a kid that grew up, you know, um, very blessed with how much love and time and attention my parents gave me, but we, we definitely were not the, the family with the money in town. And, um, and then, uh, I landed a gig at Newsmax. I did a show there for a few years. Um, I got an opportunity to go, um, to, to, to, to sort of create my own show, to own the content.

And one of the things that has really changed in the landscape is the ability to do your own

thing, to own your own landscape. Obviously, you know that now, clearly here.

And I've had a lot of friends that were sort of friends and mentors who sort of had gotten into the space and were like, here's the thing.

It's if you're willing to hustle and grow your audience, get sponsors, keep them, you can, you know, you own the content then.

It's up to you. The sky's the limit, but it's as much as you're willing to put into it.

And I, that's kind of who I, you know, just that, that's, you know, I sold everything when I was a kid, greeting cards, I sharpen skis, I sold birthday cakes. I mean, like, I did everything to make a buck. My dad, as I said, was a salesman, and that was a quality instilled in me early on. So to me, I was like, okay, I'd rather go

this route, own my show, own the content, be able to decide who I want to have on, the direction

of the show, and then, you know, this kind of segues into the first part of your question. When I left

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