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Tides of History

Ancient Egypt in Context: Interview with Professor David Wengrow

Tides of History

Wondery / Patrick Wyman

Documentary, Society & Culture, History

4.86.3K Ratings

🗓️ 8 April 2021

⏱️ 60 minutes

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Summary

Professor David Wengrow is one of the world's leading experts on Egypt before the pharaohs. He's also one of the most creative and wide-ranging archaeologists working right now, and he has fascinating insights into the primordial emergence of inequality, hierarchies, states, and all of the other things. Check out his new book, co-authored with the late David Graeber: The Dawn of Everything: A New History of Humanity.

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0:00.0

Hi everybody, from Wondery, welcome to another episode of Tides of History.

0:13.8

So I've been fascinated by Ancient Egypt since I was a kid.

0:17.0

Seeing pictures of mummies and pyramids and hieroglyphs was just so cool and it's

0:20.2

so different from what we know.

0:22.2

I'd imagine a lot of you felt the same, Egypt's fascinating.

0:25.5

Whether it's because of the mummies or the pyramids or just the way we learn about

0:28.8

the past, Ancient Egypt often seems to be synonymous with the pharaohs, the rulers of the two

0:33.7

lands.

0:35.1

And yet we know that there were times before pyramids and before pharaohs, before Egypt

0:39.2

even existed as a concept.

0:41.6

On top of that, Egypt wasn't isolated at any point in time.

0:44.2

It was deeply tied to the more southern reaches of the Nile Valley, to the deserts on either

0:48.2

side, and of course to the other societies of the Near East.

0:52.2

The Egypt of the pharaohs was shaped by its more distant past and by the contemporary

0:55.8

world around it.

0:58.0

So to help us understand Egypt and its place in the human past, we've got a great guest

1:01.6

for you here today.

1:02.9

He's a professor of comparative archaeology at University College London, who focuses

1:06.6

on the archaeology of Northeastern Africa, the Middle East, and the Eastern Mediterranean.

1:11.6

In that capacity, he's one of the world's experts on pre-dynastic Egypt and its development

1:15.7

and the author of the Archaeology of Early Egypt, Social Transformations in Northeastern

1:19.7

Africa, 10,000 to 2650 BC, which I relied on heavily in my episodes on the topic.

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