And the I'm going to Yeah, and just I hope it's okay if we continue this conversation because I there's a lot more questions that I have I don't know if do you have a time limit or anything?

No, no, I think because yeah because I because I'm barely halfway through my questions here, but I have a lot more and I if you want to take the time to answer this because I think it's important you know my I think the big question you know you said has to do, the coup had to do with white supremacy and racism and classism.

And I want to like push you on a little bit on that because it's like what, you know, there were also international forces that play here you know you document in the book

the connections between the Brazilian right wing

Bosanaroos like immediate recognition of the Anya's government, you know, the kind of financial and kind of political connections that the fascist right wing in Bolivia had, but what isn't so clear yet is the role that the United States played in all of this because

it's important to remember Evo Morellis kicked out the U.S. embassy, you know, because of the, I can remember his name, the

Ambassador at the time, you know, the WikiLeaks cables were basically, you know,

they revealed that the CIA and the National Endowment for the Democracy was funding groups that were going to attempt to assassinate or talking about assassinating Evel Morales and overthrowing the government.

And this is back in the early 2010s.

And so you have this kind of breakdown

of relations between the United States and Bolivia.

And Bolivia doesn't have a formal embassy

of the United States to have a mission and you know

Anya has brought back the embassy under her kind of under her her power and regime.

So what to your mind you know there's there's million questions in there I apologize let me

distill it to two why the coup you know first of all it race and class sure but why like what are the reasons why you know and then the second one is what role did these kind of international actors play in helping you know further divide not just the country but the international community itself

and understanding it as a coup. So before I'll talk about both those things but I do want to build off something you said is, you know,

she, on yes or normalized relations with the United States, with Brazil, with Israel,

so following exactly as you said, kind of after these WikiLeaks cables and

also there was this controversy because the US embassy had asked Fulbright scholars

and Peace Corps volunteers to report back to them on Cubans and Venezuelans.

And some of these volunteers went public with this.

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