This is somewhere in the skies, with Ryan's bed.

Hey guys, Ryan's spread here from somewhere in the skies.

And I can't believe I'm saying this, but this is the first time we're having today's guests

on the show. So I am very excited. I've been a huge fan of his work for a very long time.

We have worked together actually on a book of essays, UFOs, reframing the debate.

Two of our essays were featured in this wonderful, wonderful book of all different essays,

all about UFOs and the different ways to approach it. And that is definitely something we are

going to touch on today with our guest. And we're also going to touch on all of the current stuff

going on in the UFO world and how things have changed from just a few years back. And

whether it's an evolution or a devolution, we will leave that up to our guest and I to

to debate about. But it's going to be super fun. We're going to have fun. If you haven't noticed,

a lot of our shows lately, we've been going back to the roots of somewhere in the skies,

you know, talking about the experiencers and the different thoughts and theories and opinions on

what UFOs could be. And kind of moving a little away from a lot of the current

government-esque UFO talk. But I want to return to having fun conversations here

at somewhere in the sky. So without further ado, let's bring him in for the very first time.

We have Red Pill Junkie. What is going on, man?

Well, thanks for having me. We've known each other for how many years by now, Ryan. Yeah,

it's finally about time you have me. I know. I know, man. Hey, if it's of any consolation,

I still haven't had Greg Bishop as a main guest, even Paul Kimball. So I've got a lot of

making up to do with the UFO community, the people who really got me invigorated and inspired.

So I think I'm starting with you, my man. You're bringing me back into the reason I got

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