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Evolution of a Snake: The Taylor Swift Fan Podcast

Analyzing Taylor Swift's NYT 30 Greatest Songwriters Interview

Evolution of a Snake: The Taylor Swift Fan Podcast

Evolution of a Snake: The Taylor Swift Fan Podcast

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🗓️ 7 May 2026

⏱️ 81 minutes

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WE’RE ON TOUR NOW, COME SEE US: https://www.evolutionofasnake.com
Taylor Swift just gave the New York Times her most candid interview yet — and we watched every second so you didn't have to. This week on Evolution of a Snake, we're breaking down the real story behind how All Too Well (Ten Minute Version) actually got made, how Taylor defines her own greatest songwriting, why Speak Now, Evermore, and Love Story keep getting overlooked even by her own fans — and whether this interview is the final proof that she is the greatest living American songwriter. We have receipts.

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0:00.0

Welcome back to Evolution of Snake. I'm Zach.

0:19.2

And we're here today in Spotify Studios. Hello! Greatest, biggest, hugest podcast in the world. They shut down the whole building for us. Welcome to New York. It's been waiting for you. Welcome to New York. Welcome to New York. We have been welcomed to New York. And you'll hear more about our experience in New York and where we're living in our Kiki Lounge, which is only available at patreon.com's astrothologist, but we have something more important than that to promote for you. By the time you're watching this, we are just about to come to Canada. We're going to Montreal and Toronto this weekend. Evolutionsnakebook.com, go get your tickets. Next week we're going to be in Washington, D.C. Are we going anywhere else that week?

0:54.8

I think we just have the one show next week. Chicago. Oh, no, no, next week. D.C. Boston? Boston and Philly the following week. And then we're in L.A., San Francisco and Vancouver. Get your ass up. Evolutionablenessnet.com. Get tickets. we are ready to fucking rock, honestly.

1:13.0

Like the showgirl is something. us up, evolution of snake.com, get tickets. We are ready to fucking rock, honestly.

1:12.9

Like the showgirl is something that needs to be. We're in New York and we're ready to rock. That's all you have to know. And you know what? Taylor always comes through with the gift when we go on tour. Have you noticed that? Last time she said I got my master's back. That gave us some. Let's give them something to talk about.

1:26.6

She did.

1:28.6

That was amazing.

1:29.6

She's given us two something to talk about. Let's give him something to talk about. She did. That was amazing. She's given us two things to talk about, actually. I think we should start off with the nonsense. The Toy Story Countdown? The thing is that that's real, but I just don't understand why she took her away. Like, it must have been a big mistake. It's like that Beyonce video of

1:46.4

the lights going wrong at her concert and she's going, somebody's getting fired, somebody's getting fired,

1:51.1

someone's getting fired. And the thing is, it wasn't hard to parse what it was. Especially when

1:56.1

she did the outfit the day before. There's always a reason for Hidiasina. You have to put blue,

2:03.6

yellow, and red into one outfit, and she managed to do it in an interesting way. I actually

2:08.1

liked the bag and the dress, but it was the red lip, you see, but she had a toy story. You see

2:14.1

when you have to get your ass up and Toy Story. I'm curious to hear what she's going to cook up. Oh, I'm ready. No, I want it. I heard that. I said, you know what? Toy story is about like, I mean, if I can, if I may, toy story is about like friendship and like close relationship. So it's like some people might think ooh secret life of pets. Oh no, no, no, no. No, this is going to be something profound in me.

2:34.6

This is going to be something profound.

2:35.9

This is going to be like, and it's nice to have a friend moment.

2:52.0

The first thing that's coming to my mind, this wasn't in Toy Story, but you've got a friend in me. That's what it was. But I was going to say the Tarzan song. you'll be in my heart and Taylor could eat down with that she could eat a Phil moment in a heartbeat. I want to hear her do a song from Jesse's perspective. That's really what I need to hear. And that's what everybody's assuming. But you could be wrong. But you could be wrong. Mason is under the impression that I don't think he's right because I don't think she would do a countdown for this. But Mason's Tin Hat theory is that she's voicing a character.

3:08.4

Oh.

3:09.0

And they're going to make a new character and she's going to voice it.

3:11.3

I wouldn't hate it. I wouldn't hate it. Well, I wouldn't hate it. I would prefer it if it was a song. If it's both, oh, mamas, I'm eating good. If I have to watch Taylor Act, that's my preferred venue for her to be doing acting.

3:23.9

There was somebody who

3:25.4

was saying that she's doing the whole soundtrack, which I would eat. Well, she just did her

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