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Okay, I'm going to go get a little bit more coffee, and then we get started.

How about that?

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And I'm open Mike Eagle.

And this is past due. Let's just, let's just talk.

I mean, we are talking.

Your, your, your background's very different.

You're obviously not in your home.

You're traveling on assignment.

Yep.

Yeah.

That is, I mean, I know that your career has taken a lot of twists and turns and journalism.

Um, I would imagine that traveling on assignment is something that you probably used to do a ton. Is that true?

Yes. Yes. When I was working at Time magazine, I covered the McCain campaign.

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