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I'm Rick Green here with David Barton and Tim Barton later in the program, Congressman

Josh Perkeen will be with us, but Tim, we're still sharing heroes of history for a couple

of more weeks.

Who is our hero of history today?

Well, this one is Limial Haines and Limial Haines noted for several reasons.

He was a pastor.

Now it's black history month.

He was a black pastor, but he was the pastor of largely white congregations and there's

even some interesting details for some of the different churches he pastored.

One he pastored for nearly 30 plus years.

He was removed because during the war of 1812 that was considered by many to be Mr. Madison's

war.

His congregation was in favor of succeeding away from the union because of what James Madison

had done.

And he said, guys, this is crazy.

We're not going to do that at the bad position.

His church got angry and they voted him out because he was not in favor of succession.

Nonetheless, if you back up and look at his full story, so many fun details along the

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