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Deadline: White House

“An unprecedented campaign of deceit”

Deadline: White House

Nicolle Wallace, MS NOW

Politics, News, Ms Now, Msnbc, Daily News, The White House, Nicolle Wallace, Versant, Washington Dc, Government

4.56.4K Ratings

🗓️ 7 November 2023

⏱️ 93 minutes

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Summary

Nicolle Wallace discusses the Department of Justice’s sharp rebuke of the ex-president, what to expect from Ivanka Trump’s testimony in the New York civil fraud trial tomorrow, election day in states across the country as abortion takes center stage in many races, the GOP fracturing over Sen. Tommy Tuberville’s military blockade, the latest on Israel’s intensifying ground offensive in Gaza, pleas from Ukraine that allies maintain attention to the war, and more. Joined by: Charlie Sykes, Neal Katyal, Carol Leonnig, Tim O’Brien, Claire McCaskill, Mini Timmaraju, Molly Jong-Fast, Steve Kornacki, Erin McLaughlin, and Igor Novikov.

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0:00.0

Hi everyone it's 4 o'clock in New York and unprecedented campaign of deceit. That is how Special Council Jack Smith

0:15.8

sums up the plot to overturn the 2020 presidential election, driven by one man

0:20.7

and one man only, ex president himself in a flurry of filings on

0:25.7

Monday the special counsel pushing back against team Trump's efforts to derail

0:30.1

the trial in his federal election interference case and for the very first time

0:34.9

revealing a key plank of their case against Donald Trump. For months now

0:39.0

questions have swirled about how much Donald Trump's state of mind matters in this case.

0:45.0

Did he actually believe that the election was stolen from him and do prosecutors need to show that the

0:49.5

ex president knew he'd lost the election?

0:52.4

Well, Washington Post is now reporting this. The

0:55.1

Justice Department weighed in on the debate for the first time, saying that what

0:58.9

they need to prove is not that Trump believed the big lie of the election being stolen, but that he

1:04.5

knowingly spread associated lies in a criminal scheme to stay in power.

1:08.9

From the special counsel's filing, quote, just as the president of a company may be guilty of fraud

1:15.0

for using knowingly false statements of facts to defraud investors even if he

1:20.4

subjectively believes that his company will eventually succeed, the defendant may

1:25.1

be guilty of using deceit to obstruct the government function by which the results of the presidential

1:30.3

election are collected and counted and certified even if he provides evidence

1:36.1

that he subjectively believed that the election was rigged.

1:40.1

Prosecutor saying that Trump's words go beyond First Amendment protected speech as Trump's attorney's claim

1:46.4

because Trump peddled specific false claims about voter fraud in order to commit crimes

1:51.8

once again from this remarkable new filing,

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